Yet another Iron Palm Question. 8-)

[raipizo]

i agree with you there are always gonna be people that doubt you, good job friend.

[tkdmaster]

More questions...1) Both of the backs of my hands are dry and flaking. They itch and seem to have bumps here and their. No bruising though. My left one is a little rough and a little raw on the back down toward the wrist. Nothing that keeps me from training though. the skin is thick and leathery on both. I am comfortable hitting both the gavel and iron now but have moved down to twice a day. I am thinking of going once a day to let my left hand heal a little. I am starting to use neosporin to help with the left one. Have any of you had this during the development stages? Should I just work on and let nature heal or back off? I use hot water soaks during the sessions with plenty of arm swings and go for 20 to 30 minutes. Don't be alarmed the left is more like surface scratches (Scrapes) not cuts.
2) have you seen the videos of the guys extinguishing candle flames? Is it the air? Chi? truth or Dare!

[jeff]

http://wle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2030

We had a discussion about this a while back. Try this link, hope it sort of helps. There's more to it, but it'll help with the basic understanding of it.

Thanks,
-Jeff

[tkdmaster]

Thanks Jeff, I started to play a little with the candle after training and had some success much to my astonishment. Not real far away but like the thread says you can tell the difference between pushing air and actually extending chi. how about the itchy hands thing on the back of my hands? ever happen to you?
Thanks, Rob

[jeff]

The itchy hands or rash like spotting may be due to the contact with the bag, not enough moisture within your hands, Liniment drying your hands out, weather, biological factors, hereditary conditons, etc, etc. Not really sure. May want to consult your local physician or PA.

Last year I got patchy red skin on the back of my hands during the cold, winter months, but that was caused from a lack of moisturizing lotion, and only lasted for a couple of days. Kinda like a wind burn, but due to the cold weather.

Hard to say what may be causing your problem.
-Jeff

[teetsao]

i thinik what you are referring to is, you get an itchy internal feeling. that my friend is,qi.(chi-ki-pranna) whatever. you are getting energy flow to the hands. the red splotches are the meridians opening up. at first it will be splotchy but as you progress,it will be all one color.
a good example is if you do your hand conditioning around the same time every day,when yoou miss a day your hands will itch and get splotchy around that same time.your body is adapting. the good LORD really created something miraculous with humans. we are much more intricate than most people think. when you learn to control and or manipulate these intracacies,you can do incredible things.

[tkdmaster]

thanks for your reply. you are correct in that the skin on the back of my hands is splotchy and red. It's really more on my left than my right. As I said before I am left handed but my right is as powerful as the left and sometimes more so. The palms of my hands look normal other than the lines are deeper and their is a slight orange hugh or color. Again the back of left hand is raw down toward the backhand wrist area and they both are dry and flaky on the back. My hands have gone from being normal I remember to calloused between my fingers with the mung bag. Then the sore and sometimes bruised knuckles with the gravel bag and thickening skin and the heating after a workout. Even if I was just excercising they would fill and feel heavy. Is this just another stage? Should I lay off the left for a few days? Just slap with the palm and not use the back for a few days? I will use a little neo sporin on it but it's not too bad. The big question is did this or does this happen to some people and not others? Sorry if I am long winded but there is nobady around here that does this. So you guys are my thread......
Rob

[jeff]

More questions...1) Both of the backs of my hands are dry and flaking. They itch and seem to have bumps here and their. No bruising though. My left one is a little rough and a little raw on the back down toward the wrist.

Brother,
I believe he was talking about the physical abnormality of his skin due to either weather, training, dryness of the skin, soap, or ect. etc.

Hopefully it's healing up. I know last year I was a little aggravated with the problems I was having. Took a couple days to clear up and working in a hospital enviroment with latex powder gloves didn't help any.

Take care,
-Jeff

[tkdmaster]

Used Hydrcortisone and the hands healed very nicely. Just the backs were pealing and raw. They are now as good as they were and ready for continued training without issue.

[tkdmaster]

Been using DDJ from CDIA and the tea and have had a marked improvement. My hands are healed and not dry and flaky. I only do IP once a day now. I like using a hot water soak along with the arm swings for warm up. It seems to really help. I now get in as much on the iron as I would think you need. I just go until I get tired or time runs out. I warm up with the gravel though for about 5 minutes, soak in hot water for a minute and move to iron. I can get in 15 more minutes with no problem. Should I do this more than once a day? Twice at least or does it really matter. What do your traings consist of?

[Dale Dugas]

Rob,

Thanks for the kind words about my products.

As I was taught you do not really need to go more than 200-250 strikes twice a day for the first year.

Then once a day for the second year.

After that you can train it daily or three times a week or daily, it is really up to you.

I do not agree with people that you should be hitting your hands for an hour or any of that nonsense.

Too much time wasted hitting a bag when you can get the same results with 45 minutes.

Time is precious, and life is short.

Hot water is good for the colder months or when you feel you need a jump start. You can try adding more qi gong to your program and see if that helps.

let me know how I can be of service to you.

[tkdmaster]

Dale, thanks for the info. since I have studied Karate and Taekwondo for 35 years ChiGong is something I have no experience in or I am ignorant if I do. Traditional TKD and Karate training use an external hand conditioning such as knuckle pushups and striking makiwara with the first 2 knuckles and a lot of knife hand. Forms are all about projecting energy to the striking weapon whether it is a fist, foot , elbow or head strike. I am looking for a Tai Chi instructor THAT is qualified and have been interviewing a few now. I have found someone to teach me Arrow hand and Lau Gar from Hung Gar. Are their good DVD's that I could learn from? I pick up alot quickly. As I tell some people a front kick is a front kick and punch is a punch no matter how much we think we are different we come from a common root.

[Dale Dugas]

rob,

email me off forum and I will help you with a qi gong program to help you.

[Wind]

"As I was taught you do not really need to go more than 200-250 strikes twice a day for the first year."

Hey could I ask you a question about that?

Do you mean 200 strikes of each kind, i.e., 200 palm strikes, 200 back hand strikes, 200 knife hand, etc? Or do you mean 50 strikes of 4 different kinds of hits?

[Dale Dugas]

5o strikes of each hand position.

There is NO need for thousands and thousands of strikes when 200-300 will get the job done.